tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-785727435884999126.post5702896845613496675..comments2023-07-11T06:17:09.028-04:00Comments on Politics & P2P: The “No PhotoID” solution to Voter FraudK`Tetchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12923661185364709506noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-785727435884999126.post-16464998805952334222012-11-14T20:21:03.971-05:002012-11-14T20:21:03.971-05:00 Erm, just some problems.
The numbers of In-Person... Erm, just some problems.<br />The numbers of In-Person, Voter ID fraud that happen in a typical state during an election cycle, can be counted on the fingers of Captain Hook (most states his bad hand alone will suffice)<br />However, tens of thousands are disenfranchised by not having the right ID.<br /><br />You say you need it to cash a cheque. Great. one problem - cashing a cheque is<br />a) not listed as a right of a citizen under the Constitution<br />b) a private matter between you and a company or individual<br />c) something many people don't do (I've not done it for about 10 years, it's hilariously quaint)<br /><br />The same goes with alcohol sales, gun sales, etc. They're all voluntary things, and while B is not the case in those examples, neither are they a right granted by citizenship, but are choices. I very rarely drink, I've not fired a gun in almost 15 years, and like I said, I've not cashed a cheque in a decade. If it wasn't for the fact I drive, I wouldn't NEED an ID at all. Oh, and I can have someone else buy a gun, and me just use it, drive me around, buy my beer and even have any cheque cashed for me (by signing it over, or by asking the issuer to pay me cash instead). I can't have someone else cast a vote for me.<br /><br />but seriously, your statement "No id enables fraud more than it denies a persons ability to vote." is amusingly naive. Please, regale us with evidence, and data and FACTS that support this assertion, please!ktetchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-785727435884999126.post-92152229909668508422012-11-14T20:12:21.994-05:002012-11-14T20:12:21.994-05:00"Maybe because it works in Obama's favor ..."Maybe because it works in Obama's favor greatly to have no id."<br /><br />Well... let's look at the numbers and see. Disclaimer: I'm not an American, so am not entirely familiar with the states (particularly the fiddly North-East ones, but they seem to be mostly Democrat) so I think I may be out by one or two in a few places.<br /><br />By my counting, the Republicans (R) won 24 states, the Democrats (D) 26.<br /><br />So, on the restrictions (top picture):<br />38 states introduced voter restrictions - of those, 15 went R, 23 D.<br />12 states didn't - of those, 9 went R, 3 D.<br /><br />That doesn't seem to support the hypothesis that voter restrictions helped the Rs (or a lack thereof helped the Ds).<br /><br />Breaking that down:<br />Photo ID required: 9 states, 6 R, 3 D (so that may help the Rs).<br />Citizenship test: 3 states, 3 R, 0 D (again, may help Rs).<br />Restricting Registration: 6 states, 1 R, 5 D (benefit to Ds)<br />Restricting Early Voting: 5 states, 3 R, 2 D (close)<br />Restricting Address Changes: 2 states, 0 R, 2 D (benefit to Ds)<br />Restrictions on Felons: 2 states, 0 R, 2 D (benefit to Ds).<br /><br />Of course, it is hard to draw much out of this as there may be other causes for these patterns (such as states predominately R being more likely to require citizenship stuffs), but there doesn't seem to be a strong pattern either way.<br /><br />It's a bit clearer with the Voter ID laws (second picture):<br /><br />Strict Rules: 5 states, 4 R, 1 D (so possible R advantage)<br />ID Requested: 6 states, 3 R, 3 D (no obvious effect)<br />Non-photo ID required: 20 states, 12 R, 8 D (slight R bias)<br />No ID rules: 19 states, 5 R, 14 D (D bias).<br /><br />So this would suggest that states without ID rules are more likely to go D ... or it could suggest that states that go D are less likely to introduce ID rules. I imagine a more thorough study in this sort of thing could be quite interesting.<br /><br />Of course, the existence of a causal link between ID rules and stronger R voting doesn't mean that in other places there is voter fraud (would need more details on that - and there doesn't seem to have been many reports of if anyway), it just means that people voting didn't need ID. But if believing that the Ds only won through mass voter fraud helps you sleep at night, who am I to challenge that?Dukehttps://legalpiracy.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-785727435884999126.post-44589507406424303482012-11-14T18:37:34.364-05:002012-11-14T18:37:34.364-05:00No id enables fraud more than it denies a persons ...No id enables fraud more than it denies a persons ability to vote.You have to have a check to cash a check. Why go so far to help that and deny the overseas military votes? Maybe because it works in Obama's favor greatly to have no id. Betty Porterhttp://www.facebook.com/people/Betty-Porter/100000128330579noreply@blogger.com